"He suggested killing Hiroki?" There's a note of anger that Mantis might pick up. "Hiroki's the victim in this situation. He's being manipulated by the witch. Honerva's the one to blame. If anybody needs to be taken out here, it's her - though I wouldn't mind teaching this man you're talking about a lesson. The nerve of some people - they make the same mistakes in every universe. Attacking the victim, not the target, just makes things worse."

Ben breathes in to calm himself down. Between his history with Emperor Palpatine and the incident with Luke Skywalker, it's impossible for him to be a neutral party here. A lot of this is something he can relate to on a very personal level. He's older and far less innocent, but he was once a lot like Hiroki.

"You're welcome to join me there. If Lucifer knows the extent of what she's been up to - that she's experimented on and enslaved people and won't stop - he might be willing to help. He's strong enough to show her what it's like to be on the receiving end of that kind of power. I'm in contact with him, but not with the Doctor, unfortunately. We may not see eye to eye with the Doctor, but this seems like the kind of thing he wouldn't tolerate."