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Viatorus Atlas Durant ([personal profile] heirtothearcane) wrote in [community profile] nexus_crossings2018-10-23 08:05 pm

Ceremonial curiosity

In the past few years the Nexus has become more of a home for Viatorus than his own world, despite its strange and changeable nature. So then perhaps it is not so odd that he finds himself feeling more comfortable here than there, able to talk to strangers with nary a stutter. Mostly. Though whatever nerves remain they're still a far cry from how he was when he first came here. Now he can sit and think, his head clear and undisturbed by the passers by.

He sits and watches the crowd flow through the streets, shuffling the ring on his ring finger in slow circles. For once he's without a book in hand, not even with a tea nearby. In fact, he looks quite composed for someone so easy to fluster. Perhaps it's the distraction of speculation, for he certainly sounds like he's been mulling over this a while.

"Do you think that ceremonies hold power? Do they influence anything or do you think they're purely symbolic? Are they an expression of hope, or a way of channelling power?"
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[personal profile] coldsong 2018-11-01 07:22 pm (UTC)(link)
It's possible Viatorus is stumbling across one of Loki's saving graces; the same one that Adia has found. There is some small part of him that still values innocence. He would venture to say he has none, himself, but that makes it all the more interesting in other people. At his best, Loki can be like a gangster who cannot resist stopping his work to pet a fluffy baby duckling.

Maybe there is some world out there where he is the god of adorable kittens. But probably not.

Mind you, when he says 'informal' he means it. "A chance to consider your question regarding ceremony and ritual," he tells him, half playful. "You know a little bit about me. Tell me, what better way to honor a deity of mischief and chaos than by bending rules and expectations? Even with respect to prayer."

The intent is what matters.

He nods at the answer he receives. "It has no bearing on my agreement. I was merely curious. My congratulations on your recent marriage."

Yeah, that slip of the last name there made it pretty obvious, even without the prior context of the conversation about ceremonies and the shy little motion to hide the ring on his left hand. The conclusion is there to be drawn, Loki has drawn it, and he is satisfied with his work. "I look forward to meeting her."
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[personal profile] coldsong 2018-11-02 03:12 am (UTC)(link)
A challenge, then! Loki should probably feel out the people surrounding this man before he decides whether to try encouraging him to get into trouble. But he doesn't often do what he should. Once again, he gives him that fiercely charming smile. "Consider it an experiment. We'll record the results and determine whether they are repeatable."

The scientific method, as designed by humans, is not an entirely bad idea. Somewhat inadequate when working with the divine, but still.

"A god of magic," he repeats the question thoughtfully, and nods. "That's a fair assessment, yes."

Every good liar knows when not to push his luck. Claiming to be the god of magic would be too grandiose even for Loki. "And yet something of a student at this time, as well. There is a surprising amount of variation between worlds, and at its most fundamental level, I feel that magic--"

Pause. No, he'd best not get too pedantic here, not until he's sure what Viatorus is actually asking him. "Your pardon. Did you have a specific question? Your question is what caught my attention, you know. That ought to be a source of pride."
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[personal profile] coldsong 2018-11-03 04:51 pm (UTC)(link)
Sounds like the natural order of things to Loki. One sibling wild card, one sibling upholding order and sensibility? Sure! One could argue in his and Thor's case they switch roles occasionally, is all. And then Hela came up and had to spoil the rhythm they had going.

It's funny, sometimes, how Loki enjoys stepping outside his own traumas and distress and reflecting on what an interesting story it all is. Either way, he's probably going to want to meet this sister of Viatorus'.

"Well," he says thoughtfully, face neutral but eyes dancing with amusement. "I am the god of mischief. I wonder what would happen if, for example, someone were to walk across grass with 'keep off' signs in my name. Smoke next to a 'no smoking' sign in honor of Loki? Pray to me while playing music very loudly in the early morning so as to wake the neighbors?" He shrugs. "All relatively harmless gestures, but all transgressive, after a fashion."

And some more likely to reap consequences than others. If you get the cops called on you for being disruptive in Loki's name, is that a kind of minor sacrifice? So sue him, he's curious.

His smile softens a little at Viatorus' explanation. "As I said, I have a reputation. Rites to me have historically been few and far between, and reserved largely for the bold, the outcast, and the desperate. But by all means, please feel free to add me to your rosters; I am not the jealous type."

Er. If he reads anything about Loki, he's going to realize that's not necessarily true. "Well," he clarifies. "Not where worship is concerned, at least. I do not object to sharing space, as it were, with Hermes and Thoth."

"But let me reiterate, there are likely differences between universes. I have already had to disappoint a friend by telling her I am not the mother of Sleipnir where I come from." Not as far as he knows, at least. He could probably screw around with time and make it happen from here, but...he has other projects on his mind.
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[personal profile] coldsong 2018-11-03 10:12 pm (UTC)(link)
Well, the suggestion is a bit tongue-in-cheek, but the thing is, based on Loki's understanding of the universe, it might actually work. And it dovetails nicely into Viatorus' original question. Is there power in a ceremony, in an act of worship? Does the dogma really matter, the order in which things are done, the solemnity and pomp? Or is it, as Loki tends to think, mostly about focus and intent?

He's going to need to know. He wants the security and power of worshipers, and not, for once, for petty reasons.

'I'll see what I can come up with' is utterly heartening. There's a flash of real delight in his smile. Of course, if Viatorus perceives him as humble and kind, he is clearly the more deceived. Fun might be applicable, though.

He laughs at the question and shakes his head. "There would be too much to go into, I am sure. You need not worry. I have never in over a thousand years answered a question I did not want to."

"But I will tell you this much: human folklore in my own world has me described as the parent of Odin's great eight-legged horse, the goddess of the underworld, and the great wolf Fenrir. All of them were born before me, and I respectfully decline to accept the blame for any of them. And I have yet to meet a Jormungand, so I tend to assume someone merely saw me in a serpent form and made some assumptions."

"...if I were going to claim any of those, though, Sleipnir was at least quite a magnificent horse." He looks thoughtful. "I do shapeshift. It is not impossible for me to mother or sire a child. Other versions of myself may have done so."

He's not saying he hasn't, in fact. Just not the aforementioned quartet of semi-divine curiosities.
Edited (minor typo) 2018-11-03 22:14 (UTC)
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[personal profile] coldsong 2018-11-05 02:59 am (UTC)(link)
Loki is getting the impression, in fact, that in Viatorus he has stumbled upon a perfect storm of characteristics for an ally. His tendencies in the Nexus thus far have been quite benign. He knows what he's after (power, worship, respect, affection, in no particular order), he knows why he's after it (Thanos), and in the Nexus his ability to charm, negotiate, and flirt will be more beneficial than his talents at lying and deception.

Eventually, he has to assume, Viatorus will read some of the darker exploits of Loki. The stories are not all true, but they're pretty much all in keeping with his character. Until then, though, if he has him in the palm of his hand, that's good. And he's a bit endeared by it all.

"That's something I've been reflecting upon, myself," he says. "Do the stories make the god, does the god make the stories, or a bit of both? It may even be possible that there is mythological cross-contamination, as it were, between universes. I would not put it past an alternate of myself to travel through my dimension and leave stories of his or her own exploits."

"There, too, is always the possibility of some of the more scatological tales being meant as slander, but I am past the point of taking them personally."

Even the one about him tying his personal regions to a goat's beard. He's not claiming that one, but it does strike him as sort of funny.

He looks thoughtful at the question. "If I have ever met a god outside my pantheon, they have not, alas, revealed their nature to me. I have met beings who could be considered powerful on par with, or greater than, gods. But power does not equal divinity, does it? There is something else that must be there."
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[personal profile] coldsong 2018-11-06 01:23 am (UTC)(link)
The thing about that philosophizing is its utterly sincere. Loki is developing his own opinions on the natures of magic and divinity, and not only is he willing to entertain other perspectives, he's aware he needs them if he is to come to any conclusions. This is an entertaining game, a reasonably healthy long-term goal, but primarily it is about survival.

Not that he's planning on telling anyone that in so many words.

"If the opportunity arises, and I find a god who seems reasonably trustworthy, I might bring it up." He looks thoughtful. Thor is no use for these things. If Loki tried to bring it up, he would only assume he was looking to dominate the Nexus, or an adjoining planet. For which there is, to be fair, plenty of precedent, but Loki's patience for his brother's recriminations is limited. They both know he's not going to apologize, and he's not going to promise never to do it again, so it's best to just move on.

"I think ultimately I will have to consult with as many gods, priests, sorcerers, and others as possible here. What is true on one world does not always carry over, but there may be a consensus."

The question about prayer makes a shadow cross his expression. Not anger; something closer to bitterness and melancholy. "To the Norns, yes. The only answer I have yet to receive is 'no', but I suppose one must count that as a response. As to how they receive it, I cannot say. But perhaps I will learn, in time."
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[personal profile] coldsong 2018-11-06 02:19 pm (UTC)(link)
The body language here tells Loki this is a spur of the moment suggestion, not a wily plan come to fruition, but either way, it's clever. He approves of spontaneous use of new information to maneuver one's way out of trouble just as much as he does of elaborate gambits, and the look on his face is one of surprise, with delight following hard on its heels.

It's almost flattery in itself, to witness. "...I'm starting to quite like you." He says. "Nicely done."

If he had a plan for what kind of favor he actually wanted from Viatorus, he wouldn't cotton to this solution quite so well, but since he doesn't and was merely hoarding favors, and since it sounds like he's going to get at least some attempt at mischief-based worship, he's happy to give him this one.

"Yes, that's a deal. I will meet your wife in good faith, and you will introduce me to your priests in good faith, and we will call ourselves even." He offers a handshake.
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[personal profile] coldsong 2018-11-07 02:27 pm (UTC)(link)
Quick-thinking and networking skills are useful to both humans and gods, and equally accessible to both. Loki isn't saying he's met his match or anything, but he is definitely impressed by the boldness and initiative. His handshake is firm, but not crushing.

"Would you like my PINpoint information, or would you prefer to pray to get my attention?" He'd definitely like to hear a prayer or two, but PINpoints so practical he's fallen into using his frequently.
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[personal profile] coldsong 2018-11-08 04:57 pm (UTC)(link)
"Even a failed attempt would be welcome," he says, quiet but serious. He doesn't want to show weakness to this man who so deeply respects the divine of any type and origin. But he'll give him this much information, that he wants and maybe needs human regard.

Then he smiles easily and gets out his PINpoint. "Actually, as I have enjoyed this discussion, please feel free to contact me just for that. I may not always respond if I'm busy," or if he doesn't feel like being friendly, "but since our interests match it seems practical."

He hands the device over to Viatorus. He appears to have modified the outside a little; it's green and gold enamel with a little image of a helmet with curled horns engraved on the face, and asymmetrical lines around the border.
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[personal profile] coldsong 2018-11-09 05:12 pm (UTC)(link)
Loki is starting to understand the push and pull, give and take, of the Nexus. Walking in like he owned the place was not going to be a possibility with Thor there, and thank goodness it wasn't, because he realizes now if he'd started with that attitude he wouldn't have made nearly so many friends so quickly. He is not fully trusted, of course, nor should he be, but so far there are more people kindly disposed toward him than not, and at least a few who have promised him prayer, Viatorus included.

He is making badly-needed inroads, at no cost to himself aside from a little patience and humility (not his strong suit, but effective when he can muster it), and he's fairly proud of himself. So he does note the young man's glance, knows it means he's understood the glimpse Loki's given him, and that's enough for the both of them, for now.

"I would enjoy that," he says with a bright smile, and means it for once. He's not going to look to Viatorus to do his research for him, magical consultant or no, but he'll enjoy a conversation.

Taking back the PINpoint, he gives a little chuckle. "Oh, but what if he didn't like me? I will always take scholar of moderate influence that is kindly disposed to me ahead of a scholar of great influence that isn't."

"Worry not. You'll do."
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[personal profile] coldsong 2018-11-10 10:44 pm (UTC)(link)
As far as Loki is aware, he has no extrasensory guide as to what mortals he ought to be approaching as friends or followers. But in a way, he's still discovering what he's capable of, and he certainly has an innate talent for reading the people he speaks with, guessing where he can press for more and where he needs to back off so as not to alarm them.

There were times he would have wanted to alarm them, but it won't get him what he needs right now, and if he's honest with himself, he's rather enjoying playing the role of the friendly, impish Trickster now, rather than the malevolent Liar.

"Certainly," he nods his agreement. He doesn't need to keep the man all day, and for himself, Loki nearly always has business to attend to somewhere. "I look forward to hearing from you soon, Viatorus. And you're quite welcome."

Probably he ought to thank him back, but even if he weren't a god, he's still a prince and prone to benign arrogance every now and then. Still, his wave farewell is warm, and when he vanishes in midair with a flicker of green-gold, it seems possible it's a performance specifically for his new friend's benefit.