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itmeanscourage ([personal profile] itmeanscourage) wrote in [community profile] nexus_crossings2021-10-08 07:07 am

Blinded (with Science?)

Furious, flustered and frightened, Isamu didn’t stop running until he’d reached the plaza. Out of breath, he sunk down behind one of the larger walls.

“Of all the… it is preposterous. That is what it is…” he huffed to himself, trying to gather his thoughts. “If I were actually collecting data without consent, or in direct violation of consent, that would be one thing… but a meta-analysis? A review of pre-existing literature? How can anyone object to that on ethical grounds?!”

Someone had, though. And that someone happened to be his brother’s girlfriend. Of course, it was not a question of if Minoru would find out about an argument heated enough to make the Anthean’s eyes glow. Just a question of when.

But at the moment, Isamu wasn’t even thinking about that.

“Is curiosity, in and of itself, a crime? If learning something new is satisfying or even pleasurable, does that automatically make it as reprehensible as getting high?” He pondered loud enough for any passersby to hear him. “Is science, simply because it requires empirical evidence, ideologically unethical? Where, between theory and practice, is that line drawn and who, if anyone, has the right to decide when it is crossed?!”
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[personal profile] coffee_elf 2021-10-10 04:34 pm (UTC)(link)
Rondo nods his understanding and, after a moment's consideration, hops up to sit on the wall near Isamu, crossing his legs under him in a half-lotus position. "It kind of sounds like you maybe hit a nerve. People aren't always rational and objective about things when they have a bad past."

"Just because you mean well, doesn't mean everyone else they've ever run into did. The bad things that happened to mages in my world were way before I was ever born, and talking about it doesn't scare me, but someone older from my planet might react badly to that kind of talk, too."

He's quiet for a moment, then says, "But it is a rough question to deal with after the fact, isn't it? The studies I was talking about earlier--I mean, it was torture for the people who went through it. And I think justice for the victim should always be the first consideration in that case. But...if the information that was learned from that torture wasn't out there, we wouldn't know half of what we do about how mages learn, how we sense magical currents, how to deal with brain injuries from too much power flux, how to prevent healing-sickness, and a lot of other things."

"And the people who suffered are gone, and we can't do anything for them now, except maybe make sure their descendants are identified and cared for. So there's no right answer, just wrong answers and slightly-less-wrong ones."

"It doesn't sound to me like you meant anything wrong, but maybe you were a little insensitive with whoever you were talking to, and they took it badly? And maybe they overreacted a little, too. It's easy to do that if someone pushes your buttons, even if they don't mean to."
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[personal profile] coffee_elf 2021-10-10 06:37 pm (UTC)(link)
"It was Ziggy." That's not a question; the mention of the Anthean in context is just a confirmation of a guess Rondo had already made. "Who you argued with. Right?"

He leans his elbows on his knees and smiles sympathetically. "Ziggy isn't a violent person, but he's very driven by his emotions; that's who he is, and I do love that about him. And Tommy...I mean, I don't know if there've been others, but I know he's probably not going to fully recover from what happened to him. It's extremely personal for them."

Although Tommy might be able to talk about it more calmly than Ziggy, just because of the way he is--but it would probably not be a kind or ethical thing to bring up the topic to him.

"The other thing you have to remember is you're talking about one species doing something to another. That's how it happened on my planet, too. Elves helped, but the experimenters were human."

But like he said, he can approach this subject rationally, because his experiences aren't personal. "Elves have some inherent prejudice toward humans after all that happened on our world. I don't want to say for sure that's the case with Antheans, because I don't know, but...it wouldn't shock me, either."

A lot of things Ziggy has told him would seem to imply it.

"You're probably gonna have to talk to your brother about it," he says. "He knows you; he'll understand you didn't mean to upset anyone. I don't know how to fix things, but this sounds like a misunderstanding to me. Not the simple kind, the kind that takes work to smooth over. But I'm honestly kind of scared of humans in general and I don't think you'd deliberately hurt anyone."
Edited (minor typo) 2021-10-10 18:38 (UTC)
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[personal profile] coffee_elf 2021-10-10 07:49 pm (UTC)(link)
"Only to someone who knows everyone involved." Rondo gives him an apologetic look.

He frowns a moment, because he hasn't actually met Jack and 'Hunger City' means little to him, but after a moment he recalls some of the things he's heard about Ziggy's family, and he nods. "Yeah, maybe. I don't know much about that, um, universe."

"I mean...I guess the problem is that it is a running theme. Science in the hands of people who don't handle it carefully and ethically can do horrible things. So can magic."

He winces as Isamu goes on, fretting about his brother and the situation, and pushes himself off the wall to land on the ground next to him, offering a hug. "Hey, no. Maybe you screwed up, but that doesn't mean you're a bad person."

"I want to protect Ziggy from people that would actually deliberately hurt him. And I will. But the fact that you're this broken up about the argument means you're not that type of person at all."

"Listen, one of the first times I was here, I seeeriously offended Jim Kirk. I didn't mean to, but his husband is a human mage, and because of the history on my planet, I said I thought that a magic-using human sounded like a nightmare. Honestly, Felix is the kind of person that sounds absolutely awful to me on paper but he's been nothing but kind and polite when I've spoken to him, so...I was wrong. Now I know I've got a blind spot, and I know it's not fair to blame humans here for what happened to my planet."

"Luckily, Jim and I smoothed things over, and we both still want to be friends. I'm not saying it'll be that easy with Ziggy, but...I think it's important that you try, and it might not be as bad as you feel like it is right now. And I definitely don't think Minoru is going to turn his back on you. He's too sweet a person. He'll do whatever it takes to help make things okay between you all. I'll try to help too, if you need me to."

"You're not broken or a bad person, okay? And Ziggy's not a bad person for feeling what he feels, either. You just kind of hit each other the wrong way. It happens."
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[personal profile] coffee_elf 2021-10-27 12:15 pm (UTC)(link)
Rondo frowns a little, not exactly offended, but maybe a little frustrated that his attempts to reassure aren't helping. He folds his knees to his chest and rests his chin on them, thinking about what Isamu's saying for a little, and then makes an uncertain little sound in the back of his throat.

"Okay," he says. "But the thing is, it's never fair to make someone choose between family and a lover. And Ziggy knows that, because his mom...was kind of put in that position, herself. So maybe he's mad, and it'll take time and effort to get him to cool down and think with his head and not just his heart, but I don't think he'd do that to Minoru, if he really thought about it."

"He's probably scared, too. He's in danger as long as he's doing what he's doing in a human-dominated world, and he knows it. You might have to be the bigger person and be ready to keep reassuring him. If he'll let you."

The other bit, about Isamu's own peculiarities when interacting with empaths, takes a lot more speculation.

"Not everyone's got brains that are structured the same way. You might have unusually powerful natural mental shielding. That happens with humans in my universe. The only thing that seems weird about that is that you and Minoru should be so different in that regard. Usually that kind of thing is hereditary."

"There are elves that have a high magic resistance; some of them can't even be healed with magic, like they..nullify it somehow. It's a controversial topic where I come from, and I'm not sure how different Anthean empathy is from the way we use our abilities, so I probably shouldn't speculate. But it's not completely crazy, either. There are a lot of possible explanations. Doesn't mean you're broken."

"I guess that doesn't help with shutting down your curiosity, but it's good to think about why this is such a big deal to you, and maybe put it into words. Maybe that'll help Ziggy understand where you're coming from better."

"I can't provide you with studies from my world; I'm pretty sure that'd get me in legal trouble. I don't mind talking about them, though."